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WINNIPEG cyclists need to dismount their bikes on sidewalks to avoid fines, a local lobby group warns.

Mike Cohoe, a director for cycling group Bike to the Future, said some cyclists have been ticketed $110 for riding their bikes on a sidewalk to cross the Osborne Bridge, which is currently under construction. While some cyclists feel unsafe biking on the roadway, Cohoe said the best thing they can do is walk their bike across the sidewalk or plan an alternate route.

The city had expected pedestrians and cyclists crossing the bridge from Osborne Village to use a path underneath the bridge's north side to get to the legislature grounds or the Assiniboine Avenue bikeway. However, rising river levels have made the walkway impassable.

Cohoe estimates about 1,500 cyclists travel through the area every day.

"The best way to not get ticketed is to walk your bike across," Cohoe said, noting the non-profit group plans to publicize alternate routes cyclists can take during the construction period.

Winnipeg Police Service spokesman Const. Jason Michalyshen said during this time of year more people may be out and about, and officers want to make sure roadways, including paved sidewalks, are "safe."

Republished from the Winnipeg Free Press print edition May 11, 2011 B2


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Yay! This needs to happen more frequently all over the city. And good for the cycling lobby group for responding correctly.


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Just knew that this was going to be a new thread this morning after seeing the paper.

Can these cyclists not see the illogic to their argument. Its dangerous for them to be on the road, because of construction, which forces all pedestrain traffic onto one sidewalk, therefore they should be allowed to ride their bikes on that one sidewalk with basically, double the pedestrian traffic.

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FINALLY!!! FINALLY!!! FINALLY!!! FINALLY!!! FINALLY!!! FINALLY!!! FINALLY!!! FINALLY!!! FINALLY!!! FINALLY!!! FINALLY!!! FINALLY!!! FINALLY!!! FINALLY!!! FINALLY!!! FINALLY!!!

Now if they would get the enforcement officers down onto Portage Avenue downtown as well...they might make a dent in this problem.

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grumpy old man


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Saw a dude at Donald and Stradbrook this morning just FLYING down the sidewalk and as he approached a pedestrian stopped for the light he screamed by her and onto the roadway. If she had taken just one step back he would have creamed her!


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Was walking into Harry's Foods on Portage and Arlington yesterday and as I was approaching the store from the curb, I happened to step into the path of a cyclist. He had to hit the brakes so hard to avoid hitting me that he went a$$ over tea kettle onto the pavement. He started to say something to me and I abruptly looked at him and said to him something to the effect, if you were on the road where you are supposed to be instead of illegally riding on the sidewalk, this wouldn't have happened. He continued to try to berate me but there were other people around who chimed in about him being on the sidewalk so he picked up his stuff and off he went. I have to say that I think he did injure himself as he landed pretty hard on the pavement but I really don't feel sorry for him because he was where he shouldn't be. It's guys like him that give the rest of us cyclists a bad name and I really wish that there were more cops out there that would ticket the offenders. The ones that piss me off even more than this guy are the ones who ride the sidewalk on Portage in the morning rush hour when they have a designated lane open to them that cars aren't supposed to be in unless they are turning.


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they nailed the people on this bridge last year too.

But yeah.. funny all the papers have it this morning.. maybe on news last night? dont know.. BUT... still cyclist crossing the bridge. BETTER YET!!!.... they are still ticketing. I had just finished reading the article before my bus passed over the bridge and found it funny that I saw one guy cycling on the sidewalk right at Great West life..huh.. no ticket... then.. 200 feet later... some guy with all the gear including the helmet with mirror on it standing there waiting while the cops gave him a ticket.. looking all pissed off.

The lady in the metro sums up the arrogance of some of these people.

"I think its for the revenues of the city's car centric infrastructure and until they invest in proper cycling infrastructure this is whats going to happen....Its just evidence that they are not thinking about active transit at all."


just wow. really? wow..

HEY LADY!!!!! LOOK AT THIS PICTURE OF WHAT THAT BRIDGE WILL SOON BE YOU FREAKIN MORON



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JT Estoban


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I figure we/they should allow the Police Cadet program to ticket the losers on the downtown sidewalks, give them some real world expirence with wiriting tickets while being berated by irate yet misguided cyclists.

Just an idear


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Deank


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hehe... I dont know if that would be consider cruel and unusual punishment?


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nah, tasering them off their bikes, and then ticketing them, now that would be cruel and unusual.


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Deank


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no no.. I mean cruel and unusual for the cadets... Smile


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mayhaps.

..if anything I'd view it as hitting the ground running "this is the kinds of things your going to be expected to do, and the kinds of people you're expected to deal with, assuming you graduate and want to become a police officer in Winnipeg after this!"

....followed by "Are you really sure? Because afterward, you may have some second thoughts!" lol


We don't have any other by-law officers to enforce this, so other than diverting Police to ticket cyclists on sidewalks, whom else would anyone want to do the job?



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Is a by-law or an offence under the Highway Traffic Act?

AGEsAces


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Freeman wrote:Is a by-law or an offence under the Highway Traffic Act?

Since the rule that bicycles are not allowed on sidewalks is listed in the HTA...then it's an offense under the HTA.

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AGEsAces


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That article is a far cry from what the Sun reported.

The Sun's report was more of a chastisement of the police force for enforcing the LAW.

Even a comment from the owner of Gord's Bike & Ski shop saying he'd rather see people ride on the sidewalk then where they are supposed to be...on the road!!!

Too bad I don't have the time to organize a boycott of that idiot's store for encouraging stupidity and people to break the law!!!

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Deank


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the metro was an outright attack on the police


...
of note Gord's has partnered with CAA to be a "garage" that CAA takes bikes to when they break down on someone's morning commute.


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My message to Gord's:

Hi there,

I read the comments made by a representative of Gord’s in the Winnipeg Sun today, regarding the lawbreakers on the Osborne bridge.

I was quite surprised (and offended) by the comments. That anyone who would sell bicycles and encourage people to ride, would also encourage them to break the law and put pedestrians at risk.

I personally ride quite frequently, all over the city, and riding on the road is actually SAFER than riding on the sidewalks, as long as the rules are a followed the same as other vehicles on the road.

A bicycle is a vehicle, and has a right-of-way rule, and the operator is entitled take as much lane as is reasonably required to remain safe. They are NOT allowed to ride on a sidewalk (unless the sidewalk is marked otherwise, such as the South side of the Provencher Bridge).

I just wanted to send a message to express my dissatisfaction with the comments from the Gord representative. Were it reasonable to do so, any cyclist whose bike is from Gord’s and gets a ticket for riding on the sidewalk, should be able to go to Gord’s and get their money back…for the fine.

Hopefully…MY kid doesn’t get hit by some idiot riding his bike ILLEGALLY on the sidewalk…cause then I’d probably be looking for connections to where they bought that bike…and who else to blame for their stupidity.

The other comment made was one that the infrastructure for the city isn’t designed for bikes. Which, for a few tight areas, that’s true…but for the most part…this city is just fine for cyclists. It’s the motorists who need to be educated that a bicycle is a vehicle too, and has every right to be in that lane that the motorized vehicle does. The REAL
problem here is NOT the infrastructure, it’s the education and enforcement.

HOPEFULLY, the tickets being handed out for morons riding their bikes on the sidewalks will help correct both of those problems.

http://www.photage.ca

AGEsAces


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Deank wrote:the metro was an outright attack on the police of note Gord's has partnered with CAA to be a "garage" that CAA takes bikes to when they break down on someone's morning commute.


Thanks...sent a message to CAA then too

Hello,

I just found out about the CAA Bike Assist program.

I would like to file a protest to your program using Gord’s Bike & Ski shop as a “garage” for service.

In today’s Winnipeg Sun, an article was written about the people breaking the law riding their bikes on the Osborne Bridge sidewalks.

A spokesperson for Gord’s actually ENCOURAGED the riders to ride on the sidewalk (thus breaking the law) rather than dismounting to walk their bike across, or remaining in the roadway where they belong.

Every effort to avoid Gord’s business should be made unless they offer a retraction to their statement.

If the cyclists would ride on the roadways where they belong, and force the motorized vehicles to encounter more cyclists…it would ultimately help educate both cyclists and motorists as to what the laws and right-of-way rules are.

I am encouraging all cyclists and motorists I know to avoid CAA’s bike services so long as Gord’s is involved, unless they retract their statement.

Encouraging people to ride on the sidewalks is encouraging people to break the law, and put children, pedestrians, handicapped, etc. at undo risk because of it.

Thanks for your time

http://www.photage.ca

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Good for you. Speak your mind and then follow up on it. All too often people b1tch but do absolutely nothing to try and fix things.


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AGEsAces


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I actually got a response from Gord's.

I fully respect your opinion and although I don't agree with some of what you've said, especially the comments that smack of threats and retribution, I certainly appreciate your position.

Don't mistake me for some advocate or some cycling zealot. I am simply a citizen that was asked a question and offered an opinion, and an honest one at that.

All the best to you and your family,


And I've replied:

Thank you for your response, I honestly did not expect one.

My comments which would imply retribution are strictly reaction to the situation.

I have walked down many sidewalks in Winnipeg, and many times with my daughter, and had cyclists yell at me to get out of their way. It’s not THEIR way, no matter how slow they ride.

The law is simple, bikes with wheel diameters over 16” must not operate on the sidewalks. There’s nothing in there about speed, intent, or other “situations”. If the road is unsafe and a cyclist must enter the sidewalk, then they must dismount.

And while you suggest that you were a “simple citizen” asked a question, had that been completely true, then no mention of Gord’s would have (or should have) been made in the article. You were asked the question as a perceived “expert” on what cyclists should be doing. Because of your position (and recent coalition with CAA for their new bike rescue program), you were asked an “expert” opinion. And your opinion may be yours, but it is reflecting on Gord’s and CAA now because of your position.

And please understand, I’m not a cycling nut either. I don’t ride in -30C, and when it rains…I’m more apt to jump in my car than take the bike out. But the rules for cyclists are there to protect everyone. The simple understanding that a bicycle is a vehicle and has rules to follow on the roadways is all that’s required. Special allowances for cyclists are being developed all over the city. Bike lanes, dual-use sidewalks (where cyclists can ride), special parking areas. The university of Winnipeg is building a HUGE bicycle repair shop and storage centre right near Portage Avenue.

These changes are encouraging…but they still do not give reason for cyclists to ignore the laws. And while your opinion may be based upon an idea of “safety”, the SAFEST answer to the question posed is that cyclists should obey the rules of the road, and if they are unfamiliar (or unwilling to comply) with those rules, they may want to rethink their mode of transportation…perhaps take the bus.

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It sure looks to me that the city set up a trap for cyclists and pedestrians when they designed the temporary barracades for the Osborne Bridge fiasco.

I'm surprised that the cops aren't giving out tickets for jaywalking also.

I'd like to know who decided that this was a problem, as I don't think it is or was.

....just another money grab imo.

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I wonder if the city is even clever enough to purposefully set up a trap. Not in my estimation... But from my understanding from the sheer pedestrian and bicycle traffic in that area no thought went into traffic planning. Thus they are taking advantage of something of a trap.

None-the-less cyclists should dismount due to the congestion and danger. I don't liken this to the red-light scamera cash grab.


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The cops were also pulling over cars for spot-checks, or what appeared to be spot-checks.

At rush hour, this was a very questionable practice imo....buy typical.

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Spot checks? Cell phone usage is my guess. I sure hope they were pulling them off the road onto a nearby side street.

I was stuck behind one idiot yesterday poking along well below the limit with a phone stuck against his ear.


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Deank


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AND.... people on bikes are STILL getting tickets today.

Really people? You are that out of touch with the city you live in?


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